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My Turtle Behaviour

Discussion in 'Turtle Behaviour' started by Pizzuto, Jul 9, 2017.

  1. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    Hey guys, I have 2 Murrays in a 4ft tank as I have posted previously. I do know this is not recommended as my larger turtle has been biting at the others legs causing white areas on his flesh.

    I have him dry-docked now with Betadine on him.

    I have observed my larger turtle on top of the smaller one appearing to try and mate with his tail bending under the other turtle.

    Now I just want to know if my larger male turtle would try mate with my other turtle which I think is male also.

    I might need to separate them until I get my pond ready.

    Thanks guys.
     
  2. Aussiepride83

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    Yes that is a display of dominance. You need to permanently separate them ASAP.
     
  3. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    Yeah that's the plan. Would they be fine together in an outdoor pond with other turtles as well?

    Question with dry docking. Should I leave the heat lamp on during the night or do they need to be in darkness?
     
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    Hi Mathew, that all depends on how big the pond is, how many turtles you have in the pond, their sexes and what species of turtles they are.

    Turn the heat lamp off during the night.
     
  5. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    Is it normal for my turtle to be still/float in the water after dry docking to re hydrate? I've noticed it takes him a while to move/swim once back in the water.

    I have been dry docking him in another lizard tank with towel on the bottom and heat light. Plenty of ventilation and temperature is no more then 30°C. I have been putting him in the water approximately twice a day to re hydrate for a couple of hours.

    Am I doing anything wrong here?

    I have been using Betadine on his legs. I don't have a photo at the moment to show you. The side of his legs/feet are white flesh from the injury caused by my other turtle.

    Thanks AFT.
     
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    Yes it is normal. Turtles store water inside their bladder to use as ballast to make them neutrally buoyant in water.

    Neutral buoyancy is a condition in which a physical body's average density is equal to the density of the fluid in which it is immersed.

    When the water is used by the body to prevent dehydration it takes a while for them to be able to submerge properly. When they have fully re-hydrated they are able to submerge themselves normally.

    Be sure to wash the Betadine off your turtle's legs under the tap before putting your turtle back into the aquarium.

    Can you upload a couple of photos of the injury when you're able to?
     
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  7. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    Thanks heaps for your help Craig and Kev.

    I have been washing the betadine off before putting him in the tank.

    I am at work at the moment however when I get home I will post some photos.
     
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    You're welcome Mathew. That's what we're here for.
     
  9. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    I have attached a couple of photos.

    I don't keep both turtles dry docked. I just wanted to show you both.

    The last photo is with Betadine.

    Let me know what you guys think..
     

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    Hi Mathew, you should never use Betadine on open wounds like this as Betadine will destroy new live tissue as well as be extremely painful for your turtle. You should be using Flamazine instead!

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    I was expecting it to be a small, superficial cut or bite wound.
     
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    This thread is another good example as to why you should never keep two turtles together!
     
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  12. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    Yeah 100% Craig. If anyone has 2 turtles together don't leave them together as I did thinking they get along.

    I bought my bigger turtle as the previous owner said it was a female thinking it would get along with my smaller male. Turns out he is a mature male and now is dominating the smaller one.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 5, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 14, 2017 ---
    Hey Guys, I have recently noticed my turtles back legs appear to be dragging behind him. I took him out of the water and he was walking dragging his back legs also.

    Any idea why?

    Thanks
     
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    G'day mate, have you left it out in the sun for any prolonged period of time?
     
  14. Pizzuto

    Pizzuto Hatchling Turtle

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    No but has been dry docking a bit lately.
     
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    Is it possible that he's overheated while docking himself?
     
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    Possibly. I have him back in the water now. Will he get better if he did overheat?
     
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    If that's even the cause of it, it can recover but it will take time. @Craig may have some other theories as to why your turtle is exhibiting paralysis.

    How long are your basking lamp/s on for each day?
     
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  18. Pizzuto

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    On the dry dock about an hour morning and afternoon.

    I keep the tank basking light on more so they can bask but I don't see them basking much.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 9, 2017, Original Post Date: Aug 5, 2017 ---
    Hey Guys, just left the reptile vet in Camden in relation to my turtle's hind legs.

    He said he couldn't see any infection however said my turtle was under weight. He also said I should feed him liver, chicken or meat for protein and calcium. I know this isn't correct which I won't do.

    The vet did give my turtle fluids and vitamin and calcium injections.

    He also held my turtles legs in which made his penis come out which he said had some red spots.

    I still think it is caused from overheating in the dry dock.

    Any suggestions?

    I have attached a couple of photos.
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    This photo is how he has his hind legs and that's how he is most of the time.
     

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    Hi Mathew,

    My apologies that I have not responded sooner. I had had my own medical problems I've been dealing with lately.

    Posterior paralysis is relatively common in freshwater turtles.

    The five main causes are:
    1) Renal enlargement.
    2) Intestinal blockage/impaction caused by swallowing objects like rocks/pebbles.
    3) Constipation.
    4) Internal swelling from an abscess, cancerous growth or kidney stones etc. pressing on the nervous system.
    5) In the case of female turtles and not relevant to your turtle, being egg bound.

    The best way to rule out the above conditions is to have an X-ray of your turtle taken.

    Other not so common causes are the herpes virus, Gout, bacterial and fungal infections, hypocalcaemia (not enough calcium), heat stress, nerve disease, pesticide toxicity, and endocrine diseases such as follicular stasis and hyperparathyroidism.

    I have personally witnessed a reptile that has received too much calcium from additional sources like Repti-Cal powder being added to the diet too frequently which caused posterior leg paralysis. As you probably wouldn't be giving your turtle additional calcium I don't believe it would be hypercalcaemia (too much calcium).
     
  20. Pizzuto

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    Thanks Craig, don't apologise mate. I personally think it's from overheating. Now if this is the case what am I best doing?

    Should I keep him dry docked or should I leave him in the water?

    Will he recover and gain back his movement in the hind legs?