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Keeping Two Turtles Together

Discussion in 'Keeping Turtles Indoors (Aquariums)' started by Craig, Nov 21, 2016.

  1. Craig

    Craig Founding Member/Administrator/Public Officer
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    So You're Thinking About Keeping Two Turtles Together?

    Firstly, AFT recommends keeping 1 turtle by itself or at least 4 or more in a large tank than can accommodate them comfortably with room to grow.

    Do Turtles Need Friends?
    The simple answer is no they don't. They do not get lonely, they do not need the company or "friendship" of another turtle. They simply tolerate other turtles from time to time, but that toleration can be very short lived with dire consequences that can cost you a lot of money. Please don't feel that because humans get lonely that turtles also get lonely. This is incorrect and what is called anthropomorphising behaviour. It is when we give animals human-like traits.


    But They Live Together In The Wild And Mine Are Best Mates!
    In the wild, freshwater turtles are solitary animals, seeking food and generally living by themselves until mating time. Other than when they are hatchlings and seek 'safety in numbers' or as sub-adults and adults during breeding times, they see other turtles as competition for food and good hiding spots. This also does not include adult males when competing for mating privileges with other male would be suitors. Males can tear each other apart when competing against each other for the right to mate.

    Your tank is not like the natural environment of that of a freshwater turtle. A turtle tank is a closed system as opposed to an open system in the wild.
    Being in such a small area, a turtle will defend its territory even with a turtle that it has grown up with all its life!
    It doesn't matter if they are from the same clutch, same sex, are the same species or different species, any other turtle is competition for food and space and as your turtles grow larger, this is how they see each other. It may not happen for years, or even decades, but one day it may happen and it is up to you to provide the best and safest possible environment you can for them whilst you have the responsibility of caring for them.
    Apart from the physical damage from biting and fighting, this aggressive and often bullying behaviour causes undue stress which can also have adverse effects on your turtle's health. Stress can lower a turtle's immunity making them more susceptible to diseases, especially infections from bites and scratches. Some examples of diseases that can be caused are skin infections, septicaemia, diarrhoea, loss of appetite and respiratory infections that a strong, healthy turtle's immune system would normally be able to cope with.


    Freshwater turtles in the Emydura complex are known to be the most aggressive in captivity with Emydura macquarii macquarii (Murray River turtles), Emydura macquarii dharra (Macleay River turtles) and Emydura subglobosa subglobosa (Jardine River turtles/Australian Painted turtles) being the top 3 known for inflicting more damage than any other species or sub-species to their own kind and other species or sub-species sharing their tank.

    Flaviemys purvisi (Manning River turtles/Purvis' turtle) and Chelodina longicollis (Eastern snake-necked turtles/ELN) are 2 of the most non-aggressive species in captivity.

    Prevention is Better than Cure!

    It is much better to follow the Golden Rule, Prevention is better than Cure. Don't wait until something happens, it may be very costly considering the cost of vet fees, antibiotics, topical creams etc. etc.

    Please have a read of a small number of the links to horror stories below:
    https://www.australianfreshwatertur...iver-turtle-is-bullying-my-smaller-one.15051/

    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/turtle-biting-other-turtle.13378/
    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/macleay-turtles-biting.12474/
    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/murray-harrassing-eln.12342/
    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/what-to-do-about-fighting-turtles.12023/
    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/turtle-biting-feet.10783/
    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/my-turtle-behaviour.15405/#post-138357

    https://www.australianfreshwaterturtles.com.au/threads/turtle-biting-other-turtle.13378/#post-117705
    If you would like to see more stories of keepers having problems with one turtle biting the other, fighting turtles or bullying behaviour please do a search for: Aggressive Turtles

    If That's Not Enough To Convince You Please See the Photos Below of a Number of Instances of the Damage Inflicted by Two Turtles Being Housed Together :

    My apologies for the quality of some of these photos.
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    The below bite wound was so severe and large that it required stitches, however it was left partially open to allow the wound to drain.
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  2. Harry Desai

    Harry Desai Hatchling Turtle

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    Very informative article.
     
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    Thanks. What if I keep a boy and girl together?
     
  4. Craig

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    It doesn't matter what sex they are, especially if they are of the Emydura genera.

    These two turtles below lived with each other since they were hatchlings with no signs of aggression whatsoever until they were of breeding age as adults.


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    During courtship and mating, the male Australian Painted turtle was relentless, biting the female on the back of the neck, the tail, the throat, the feet and legs causing massive injuries and loss of blood. The below are photo is of the damage to a female Emydura subglobosa subglobosa (Jardine River turtle/Australian Painted turtle) caused by a male of the same species.

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  5. Aussiepride83

    Aussiepride83 Senior Turtle

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    Speaking from experience, it makes no difference. Even courtship and mating is violent with turtles especially if the females don't accept a male's advances. Males will tear females to shreds.
     
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  7. Kylie Fitzgerald

    Kylie Fitzgerald Hatchling Turtle

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    I currently have 2 baby Murray River turtles together in a 4 foot tank.

    What age would you suggest separating them?
     
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    Aussiepride83 Senior Turtle

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    As soon as it becomes apparent that they're not coexisting together peacefully or if one starts to grow noticeably faster and larger than the other.
     
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  9. Kylie Fitzgerald

    Kylie Fitzgerald Hatchling Turtle

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    I will be building an outdoor pond enclosure once they are big, so what would be the best solution, to make sure the pond is big enough so they can stay away from each other? Or build two separate enclosures? Or adopt 2 more turtles the same size to eliminate the domination fighting.
     
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  10. Kylie Fitzgerald

    Kylie Fitzgerald Hatchling Turtle

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    Really wish I found this thread earlier, I didn’t know I was doing the wrong thing.
     
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